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one minister saying the answer of the taliban lies with the pakistani army. >> reporter: it was the second brazen attack on pakistan's largest city in just two days. pakistani taliban assaulting a security academy at karachi airport, once again shutting down pakistan's busiest air hub and sparking a massive counterterrorism response. >> should we stay in the building or go out? >> go home, immediately. >> reporter: a cnn team on the ground in karachi was whisked away just before the attackers moved in. tonight, the taliban militants are still on the run. the violent wave of attacks is a bold sign of the taliban's resurgence. only weeks ago, a split in the leadership and a massive government air campaign against their stronghold in the country's north led some to believe the taliban was weakening. these deadly attacks were their
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answer. though separate from the afghan taliban, the pakistani taliban threatens stability across the afghan-pakistan border. its home of militants of chechnya, asia, even those of the west, a threat to u.s. forces there. and inside pakistan, a nation with a large nuclear arsenal, the taliban has sworn to topple the government, and as they grow in strength, there are real fears they might succeed. >> i don't so much think of them as a threat to the government, i think it's much more pervasive. it's a threat to pakistan's very existence. >> i spoke to the pentagon spokesman about this and he says he believes -- the u.s. believes, pakistan's nuclear weapons are secure and they are confident in the ability of the pakistani military to respond, i don't think anyone is second guessing the pakistani
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military's response to terrorism, however, the threat from the taliban to the pakistani government has been a serious concern of u.s. officials for some time, and, wolf, this is exactly a reminder of why. >> certainly is, and as you've correctly pointed out, let's not forget pakistan is a nuclear power. jim sciutto reporting. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." now let's step into the "crossfire." newt gingrich and stephanie koetter are standing by. >> people waited overnight to meet hillary clinton and buy her brand new book. >> for the millions of you who weren't in line, it's best understood as a comedy version of "house of cards ". the debate starts now. >> tonight on "crossfire," long lines from die hard fans. she's facing critics, but the crowds don't care. >> let's get started. >> on the left, stephanie koetter. on the right, newt gingrich. in the "crossfire."
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a clinton confidant and david bossy, a long-time critic. will clinton's dead broke gaffe turn off potential voters? tonight on "crossfire." >> welcome to "crossfire." i'm newt gingrich on the right. >> and i'm stephanie koetter on the left. in the "crossfire" tonight, two opposite views of hillary clinton. as we are seeing this week, clinton bashing is a whole cottage industry. think of all the republicans unemployed if they weren't attacking hillary clinton. think of the taxpayer dollars wasted on investigations of them, bogus claims of stock deals, land deals, or whatever they were investigating at the time, yet the clinton haters never learn, the more they attack, the more the clintons fight back. >> actually, it's more of a reason to run, because i do not
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believe our great country should be playing minor league ball. we ought to be in the majors, and i view this as really apart from even an aversion from the hard work that the congress should be doing about the problems facing our country and the world. >> newt, hillary is not backing down from this. she's ready to take all of you on. she's been doing it since the 1990s, when you were speaker of the house, and, frankly, she's been winning. so, is this what the next two years is going to be like? >> first of all, she lost hillary care in the 1990s. second, she just illustrated why i think she's in deep trouble. the american people do not believe the killing of four americans in benghazi is minor league -- her language, minor league ball. they think it's pretty major. >> so does she, but, five hours of public testimony in front of congress, dozens of congressional hearings, an independent investigator have all looked into this. republicans in congress will not let it go.
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>> it was your clip. i'm quoting her. in the "crossfire," a long-time adviser to hillary clinton and david bossy, one of the clinton's leading and longest critics. let me start with you. i mean, a little puzzling watching the rollout, whatever you think of the book, right or wrong. >> i think it's great. >> you do? >> i do. >> let me ask you, you are the party that worries about the 1%. hillary indicated how deeply upset she was that they were having financial problems, so they had to take an $8 million book deal, bill had to make $100 to $200 million, because after all, they had these deep problems. listen so how she tries to get back to being in the party that worries about the 1% on "good morning america" today. >> we understand what that struggle is, because we had student debts, both of us, we had to pay off. we've had to work, i had a couple of jobs in law school, he had lots of jobs, so we have a
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life experience that is clearly different in very dramatic ways from many americans, but we also have gone through some of the same challenges as many people have. >> you know, this is a person who said recently she's not driven since 1996. don't you think it's going to be a little tricky to establish she represents all of the folks she pretends you're concerned about, as opposed to representing the 1%ers that have given them money? >> people know hillary clinton. they know hillary clinton and bill clinton, and they know that they have been fighting for people in the middle class and people struggling to get into the middle class throughout their careers, and they know that the kind of family they come from. they didn't grow up like some political families, wealthy and well connected. hillary's mom never went to college, she did have debts of her own, and she says in this book she's incredibly blessed, but if the question is, who understands the struggles and
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experiences and who's been fighting for them for her entire life, i can say there's almost no better advocate, no better fighter for the middle class and for people struggling than >> stephanie, you just read off the talking points i think you wrote in the '90s. i mean, the old news adage, you know, hearings led to nothing, all investigations, taxpayer loss, we've heard that many years. >> because it's true. >> look, hillary clinton is running for president. let's not make any bones about it, there's no question about it, she is running. her debts had nothing to do with student loans. her debts had to do with legal bills because she lied. and she lied when she fired the travel office, she fired the entire staff to install their cronys and what she had to do is defend that and she lied under oath and that is why the prosecutor said that she had factually inaccurate testimony in his report. >> david, let's explain something to our viewers here, you are the perfect person to be
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on the show tonight, and why, because as a young buck -- >> congratulations. >> you were on the ground in arkansas in 1992 beginning those investigations, you're behind the white water investigation, to my point earlier, that they were exonerated in that investigation, they've been exonerated with everything you've thrown at them. >> that's not true. >> this is your entire career. >> they were exonerated, went to prison. >> she was exonerated. >> she took -- my point is this -- >> my point is, you've been doing this for 25 years. >> $1,000 in the commodities market for $100,000 with red bone. that's what she did. she flipped land, which became an investigation. okay, i don't want to hear that she didn't have any money going into the white house and i don't want to hear she didn't have any money going out. >> neera, do you want to get in on this? you were there, too. >> i was. >> you were also there. >> i think what's hysterical talking about these things from 20 years ago. >> i find it funny myself.
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can't she go away? >> here's the bottom line, you know, the american people have made a judgment about this. 60% of the american people, despite everything you've done throughout your career, the one man himself, actually, the army of assaulters, hillary clinton -- >> that was about bill clinton, so we're clear. that was about bill clinton, and he beat us. i have no problem saying that. >> just in "the washington post" poll over the weekend, are you honest and trustworthy and 60% of the american people have said -- >> let me ask you this, as an example of hillary's claims, because the book, she claims her greatest achievement in the state department was restoring america's image around the world. now, let's look at what happened during the years she was secretary of state. basically, world approval of u.s. leadership peaked at 49% in 2009, and then declined until by the time she left, it was at 41%. now, wouldn't you normally say
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that a decline from 49% to 41% is not an achievement? >> well, i think if you actually look at the years before that, which is the context, what were the numbers in 2006, 24%, 23%, so those numbers have moved up. i mean, math is math. >> hillary will run against george w. bush? >> if you're asking about restoring america's leadership -- >> honest about where we're starting, when we took office, it was 34%. >> america is -- >> we did restore under hillary's leadership and president obama's leadership america's role in the world. >> america is less represented and less secure today than before her time in the state department. >> that's false. >> it's absolutely a fact. you look at iran, look at israel, look at syria, you look at russia, the reset button, the circus act that she put on with the reset button tells everything that she did -- >> i appreciate david bossy is a
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big supporter of the foreign policy which brought us the iraq war -- >> she voted for the iraq war. she voted for that iraq war. >> unlike you, she can acknowledge that was a mistake. >> you didn't ask me if i thought it was a mistake. >> do you? do you think it was a mistake? >> i think george bush made errors, i don't have any problem with that. look, i think -- you want to get it off on something else, i'm not playing the game. >> you're playing a game. that's for sure. >> in a moment, i'll explain why hillary clinton's new book will be an endless nightmare for her. but first, today's "crossfire" quiz, in what year did the clinton's get married, 1975, 1977, or 1978? we'll have the answer when we get back.
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welcome back. you're looking at live pictures of hillary clinton speaking to an audience in chicago. her book, "hard choices," went on sale today. this book will be an endless nightmare for her. it reveals the shallowness and total lack of self awareness of one of the most narcissistic couples in american history, which brings us to the answer of the "crossfire" quiz, the clintons have been married since 1975. hillary clinton has always felt impoverished. she was a yale law graduate who dabbled in cattle futures because she wanted more money. it's hard to see an unguarded hillary like interviews like this from abc. >> i am over it, over it.
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i think i am changed. not worry so much about what other people are thinking. my view is, i have lived an incredibly blessed life. i've had so many wonderful experiences, and i'm going to say what i know, what i believe, and let the chips fall. >> time for radical candor? >> i love that phrase, i think if you don't mind, i'll use it. i think, for me, it's time. i don't know that i could have done it earlier, because i was certainly trying to find my way. >> her repeated insistence that she's over it maybe shows that she's not. the dead broke gaffe is only the beginning. in the book she also insults israel and can't get her story straight on benghazi, despite the best efforts of her ghost writers. in the "crossfire" tonight, neera tanden and david bossie. >> can i respond to anything you said, the psycho babble in there, any of it? >> which part was inappropriate
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psycho babble? i thought it was pretty accurate. >> it was all psycho babble, i agree with you. >> it was narcissistic. >> that's why i used the "house of cards" example. i do think it's fascinating both the clintons have had this constant work at the margins in terms of things like when you go back and look at cattle futures, even today is an amazing story. >> what year are you talking about at this point? you're not even in the same decade we're in anymore. >> i want to give you a chance here, because she talks for a second there about radical candor, so let me ask you for radical candor. name two ways in which a clinton administration will be different from obama. >> so, hillary, over her career, has worked on a lot of issues that she shares with the president, extending the middle class, opportunity for all americans, and, you know, she ran a campaign where she had particular ideas -- >> radical candor, come on, you can do it. >> if she runs for president, she'll be spelling out new ideas
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for new challenges. >> how about secretary of state, two. >> okay, she helped create a global coalition to actually enforce iran sanctions that keeps iran from having nuclear weapons. issues are very delicate, but she did create that global coalition with the administration, and she also led the effort and was the point person in ensuring -- >> we can blame hillary clinton? >> george bush, no, we're not talking about george bush, because apparently you weren't a supporter of his, couldn't bring russia and china to the table on the iran sanctions, but she did. that's an accomplishment. and neera is right, we have prevented them from getting the nuclear bomb, which is more than most people can say, had we not done those things. >> i don't know for certain where the bomb process is, and i don't think you do either. do you know where the bomb making process is in iran, because i know where they are trying to make one. if you feel confident that hillary clinton's done such a good job --
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>> you feel confident that she didn't. >> she has not. >> maybe you should not criticize. >> exactly. >> you know -- we know in iran they want to use a bomb once they have it. that's what we do know. you can live in a fantasy world all you want. >> according to israel and the united states -- >> according to israel, we're no longer their best ally, that's what i know, thanks to hillary clinton. >> let me ask you a further question, she had this reset button fiasco, here's what i'm curious, how do you explain, for example, the russian takeover of crimea in the context of that reset? how do you explain that? >> i think russia's a great example of the nuance and the importance of this book, though, in actually describing what happened. so, in 2011, hillary clinton criticized, probably one of the most vocal people in the administration, criticizing
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putin for human rights violations, for crushing democratic activists, he attacked her, then she laid out for the president that they should, you know, have a different course, a stronger stance with russia. i know this is not easy to do and understand in the twitter age, but these are important discussions and the hard choices that people face, and i think it really lays out how she -- >> it does. >> how she took a strong stance. >> i think -- >> i think you should listen to vladimir putin. >> here's my question -- >> you just asked a question. david, newt just basically proved my point, there is a right-wing obsession with hillary clinton. just listen to his questions. as we've discussed, you've dedicated your life to tearing down the clintons, yet her approval ratings are going strong, just look at these numbers. in a recent poll, secretary of state approval, 59%, strong leader, 67%, honest and trustworthy, 60%. i hope you're not waiting for a bonus.
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>> i can't wait for her campaign to be in full bore, because those numbers will come down, just like they did in 2007 and 2008. >> have a plan to take her down? >> somebody is going to attack to her left, because somebody is going to tack to her left just like barack obama. >> barack obama did not tack to her left. absolutely did not. it had nothing to do with left or right. >> can't even say wit a straight face. tell us. >> so why did he beat her? >> because he ran a better campaign. but one of the reasons barack obama was as strong as he was is because he didn't tack to the left. he stuck to his positions throughout. it wasn't about being more progressive or more conservative. it was a better campaign. and that's what hillary clinton said. >> she is losing progressive voters today when they find out she earned $8 million. she is the one -- she wants -- >> let's see where they are. >> i know you're an expert on voters. she has a whole record. >> her record on boko haram, not
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naming them as a terrorist organization. >> not the spokesperson for progressives in the democratic party or anyone in the democratic party. and say if you look at hillary's actual numbers and facts and data, she has strong support from both liberals, moderate, the whole gamut. >> i want to go back to the example you used. >> yes, please. >> about effectiveness. so she designs a strategy in 2011, she goes after putin on human rights. effect? >> vladimir putin -- vladimir putin -- vladimir putin went out of his way to attack hillary and say that they're wrong. i think that if you f you think that american leadership is standing up to people who seem to have dictatorial tendencies, that is the right thing to do. you know, i think most people would judge that as being effective. >> all right. >> speaking of effective, after listening to you two here tonight, i think that we are
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awaiting a rallying try cia to hillary clinton's defense. i think we're going to see out of the right wing attacks of her is her consolidation of the party. if you're talking about progressives or moderates. >> call and see if he is supporting her. >> stay here. we want you at home to weigh in on today's fireback question. are hillary's republican critics helping or hurting her potential 2016 plans? tweet help organize hurting using #crossfire. we'll have the results after the break. we also have the outrages of the day. i'm outraged that yet another conservative man doesn't understand a fundamental truth about women, and it has nothing 20 do with you two.
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welcome back. now it's time for the outrages of the day. i respect george will, which is why i'm not only disappointed, i'm outraged by his recent column on the very real, very widespread problem of sexual assault at colleges and universities. he writes that schools are learning, quote, when they make victimhood a coveted status that confers privilege, victims proliferate. translation, victims of sexual assault are somehow elevated to a special status on college campuses. this allegation is vile. a recent investigation into the epidemic, and that is what this is of sexual assault at universities found that one in five female college students has been assaulted. so george, if you're implying that 20% of women are somehow asking to be assaulted, are they hoping for special privileges like physical trauma and physical assault? sadly, george, you need to join the rnc classes on what many
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other male republicans are taking, a remedial class on how to respect and relate to women. newt? >> i'm outraged because the narrow minded overzealous bureaucrats at the food and drug administration have declared war on cheese for no good reason. specifically, the fda is targeting wood-aged cheese because they think cheese aged on wooden boards is laden with bacteria. of course. they're forgetting that bacteria is what gives all cheese its flavor and texture. or that these cheeses have been prepared and eaten this way for centuries, or that studies show that plastic retain morse bacteria than wood after cleaning. and according to the fda's own spokeswoman, who we called today, they aren't aware of any outbreaks of disease associated with this process. nothing matters to the prison guards of the past. they have to have their way, no matter how stupid. the rest of us have to make due with bland cheese or none at all.
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>> let's check on our fireback results. are hillary's republican critics helping her or hurting her potential 2016 plans? right now 87% of you say helping. 13% of you say hurting. what do our guests think? >> i think it's definitely helping her book sales, which is flailing because i guess there is already got it 40% off in most book stores. >> that's just ridiculous. there is a million preorders, and thousand people waiting in line. >> they can't make that up. there is pictures of it. >> 41% discount, we'll help you get one. >> you can probably get it at 80% at this point. . that would be truly a story, to get her to sign it. >> i don't know by hand, but i'll try for your, newt. >> thanks, the debate continues online at as well as on facebook and twitter. from the left, i'm stephanie cutter. >> from the right, i'm newt gingrich. join us tomorrow for another edition of "crossfire." "erin burnett outfront" starts
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right now. and welcome to "outfront." we have breaking news here as we begin our coverage of another deadly school shooting today. a horrific event in this country. president obama angrily speaking out tonight, saying these shooters are now becoming the norm. it is time to change america's gun laws. the question is this a tipping point? plus, i just returned from doha, qatar a few moments ago. five taliban exchanged for bowe bergdahl. and. the man involved